As a reformed Christian, it breaks my heart to know that some people who claim the name of Christ choose these hills to die on. And die they do. Most are just parroting the sensationalist tweetable lines their pastors feed them from the pulpit. To many are uneducated in regards to the science behind the debates, and just as often they're uneducated in regards to the theology behind it as well.
That being said, the shallow, trite statements by some Christians don't negate that the Gospel and science live in harmony. Evolution isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, but the Gospel certainly is.
*golf clap* I am so happy for you, you have found a video of some hipster atheists poking fun at some poor befuddled dirt eating Christians. Do you really want to bring up what it looks like when athiests are 'in charge'? Why, between Mao, Stalin and Herr Hitler alone we are looking at something like 120 million people sent on a forced march into the afterlife. we don't even have to talk about the small timers like Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Mengitsu, Suharto, Mussolini, and hell lets throw Castro in there too, he's got at least 30'000.
Although I neither need nor deserve kudos for merely presenting this video, your patronizing applause is appreciated. However, it is misdirected. For the creators of the video deserve all the credit.
I think what you fail to understand, based on your stilted and childish comments above, is that the video is meant to be entertaining. Rather than stepping back and appreciating the satire, you immediately chose a defensive stance. Attacking the creators by stigmatizing them does not come across as very "christian" (which I assume you claim to be), nor does it build a very strong argumentative foundation. Rather, it alludes to possible insecurities in your own life, which I do not with to get into. I simply found the video humorous and wanted to share it with other stable minded, educated individuals who could appreciate the comedy.
I will, however, turn right back around, sir, and applaud you for further adding to comedic value of my post. Thank you, kilroy182.
Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). The video is not entertaining. It is a sad commentary on this world that you thought it was. I have absolutely no respect for purveyors of such nonsense, and for their subject matter I have nothing but pity. It breaks my heart to see people led into such a blinkered suffocating view of Christianity. I will forever be in childlike wonder at this magnificent universe I believe God made. I don't demand that you believe as I do, but poking fun at 'those dumb christians' doesn't exactly win you style points for atheism.
I don't recall the words "dumb" and "christian" ever being used together until you just did it. (You might want to get that checked out.)
Your pity and respect, sir, I neither want nor need. I'm not living my life to impress anyone but myself (especially not a god who has a 50-50 chance of being real). Rather, I enjoy life. I laugh at things. I choose to see comedy.
First, no matter how Christians contort themselves, Hitler was Christian. Second, Communism does not equal atheism. Do you really want to bring up the evils Christianity has visited on the world? Inquisition, child abuse, the Crusades, and on and on....
Strike one for me. Hitler was not an atheist. It seems he "claimed" to be catholic while espousing something called 'positive christianity' (which is viewed as a Heresy and thus not christian) stating that Jesus was an Aryan (not to be confused with Arianism, also a Heresy) and despised the Jews. The only 'christians' not persecuted in Germany were those who came under the sway of the 'German Church'. I'd say Hitler pretended to court the religious vote just as long as it was needed to get into power and then set about destroying any institution that might have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to him as he proceeded to create hell on earth. Here is a hitler quote to chew on. "The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity."
— Adolf Hitler, from Hitler's Table Talk (1941-1944)
Actually, that would be strike two. It has been shown time and again that the Catholic church did little to stop Hitler or his crusade against anyone that didn't fit his view of perfection. So positing that a strong Christian church would have stood up to Hitler really doesn't pass the sniff test. Someone using their faith to gain political power? Lucky no one does that in this country.
Those monsters didn't commit their atrocities in the name of atheism, their religion was the Religion of the State.
Regardless, even if they did these terrible things because they are atheists, and every Christian was a saint, there is still no evidence that Christianity is true.
I interpret this video as people who think they have an atheist view of the world mocking what they think is Christianity, from experiences with people who thought they were Christian, and spreading what they thought was the mind of God.
"I think, therefore I am" is circular logic. It's impossible to objectively verify the validity of our own thoughts. The "therefore" displays the presence of a logical progression drawn from an appeal to a consistent natural order. Order only comes from design, and design only comes from a designer.
Gravity and electromagnetism create order. Nature expresses ordered properties in nearly all things: DNA, the oscillation of waves of light and sound, molecular construction of atomic particles.
I suspect you'll try to argue that all these things have order because they were "designed" that way, but that is simply conjecture. 'Therefore' your argument that order only comes from design is about as logical as the philosophical "I think, therefore I am" statement.
Gravity and electromagnetism do not create order, they represent order. It is not conjecture to state that order can only come from order and that design comes from a designer, it is simple logic and metaphysics. You also were not able to refute my claim that the "I think, therefore I am" statement is circular reasoning.
I have no problem with design coming from a designer. That doesn't mean order comes "only" from a designer. Implying a correlation between design and order doesn't then prove one only exists because of the other. That is ignorant and fallacious.
Here's the definition of Circular Reasoning: "When the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with; sometimes called assuming the conclusion."
"I think, therefore I am" is a philosophical proposition implying that the "thinker," by simply questioning their existence proves the existence of the "I" doing the thinking. There is no assumption of a conclusion, but rather the proof of it. The statement does not begin with the conclusion, it's leads to it eloquently with two words, "I think."
Indeed you cannot. Best not to dwell on it though. You have approximately 2,524,554,080 seconds minus how many you've already used up in your life thus far. Better not waste any more! :)
On a positive note, it sounds like you realize that you get just one life to live (and hopefully don't buy in to the afterlife that many religions promise, but that none have evidence for).
I most certainly don't fear death. I don't convince myself that "I", the almighty ego, will continue on after death to make the thought of my demise somehow more palatable.
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alfy86 11 years, 2 months ago
As a reformed Christian, it breaks my heart to know that some people who claim the name of Christ choose these hills to die on. And die they do. Most are just parroting the sensationalist tweetable lines their pastors feed them from the pulpit. To many are uneducated in regards to the science behind the debates, and just as often they're uneducated in regards to the theology behind it as well.
That being said, the shallow, trite statements by some Christians don't negate that the Gospel and science live in harmony. Evolution isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, but the Gospel certainly is.
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alfy86 11 years, 2 months ago
Too* many
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
May your hill be as rosy then as it is now. For we all reach the top at some point, and are equally ignorant as to what awaits us on the other side.
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kilroy182 11 years, 2 months ago
*golf clap* I am so happy for you, you have found a video of some hipster atheists poking fun at some poor befuddled dirt eating Christians. Do you really want to bring up what it looks like when athiests are 'in charge'? Why, between Mao, Stalin and Herr Hitler alone we are looking at something like 120 million people sent on a forced march into the afterlife. we don't even have to talk about the small timers like Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Mengitsu, Suharto, Mussolini, and hell lets throw Castro in there too, he's got at least 30'000.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
Although I neither need nor deserve kudos for merely presenting this video, your patronizing applause is appreciated. However, it is misdirected. For the creators of the video deserve all the credit.
I think what you fail to understand, based on your stilted and childish comments above, is that the video is meant to be entertaining. Rather than stepping back and appreciating the satire, you immediately chose a defensive stance. Attacking the creators by stigmatizing them does not come across as very "christian" (which I assume you claim to be), nor does it build a very strong argumentative foundation. Rather, it alludes to possible insecurities in your own life, which I do not with to get into. I simply found the video humorous and wanted to share it with other stable minded, educated individuals who could appreciate the comedy.
I will, however, turn right back around, sir, and applaud you for further adding to comedic value of my post. Thank you, kilroy182.
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kilroy182 11 years, 2 months ago
Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). The video is not entertaining. It is a sad commentary on this world that you thought it was. I have absolutely no respect for purveyors of such nonsense, and for their subject matter I have nothing but pity. It breaks my heart to see people led into such a blinkered suffocating view of Christianity. I will forever be in childlike wonder at this magnificent universe I believe God made. I don't demand that you believe as I do, but poking fun at 'those dumb christians' doesn't exactly win you style points for atheism.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
I don't recall the words "dumb" and "christian" ever being used together until you just did it. (You might want to get that checked out.)
Your pity and respect, sir, I neither want nor need. I'm not living my life to impress anyone but myself (especially not a god who has a 50-50 chance of being real). Rather, I enjoy life. I laugh at things. I choose to see comedy.
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duncanfj 11 years, 2 months ago
First, no matter how Christians contort themselves, Hitler was Christian. Second, Communism does not equal atheism. Do you really want to bring up the evils Christianity has visited on the world? Inquisition, child abuse, the Crusades, and on and on....
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kilroy182 11 years, 2 months ago
Strike one for me. Hitler was not an atheist. It seems he "claimed" to be catholic while espousing something called 'positive christianity' (which is viewed as a Heresy and thus not christian) stating that Jesus was an Aryan (not to be confused with Arianism, also a Heresy) and despised the Jews. The only 'christians' not persecuted in Germany were those who came under the sway of the 'German Church'. I'd say Hitler pretended to court the religious vote just as long as it was needed to get into power and then set about destroying any institution that might have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to him as he proceeded to create hell on earth. Here is a hitler quote to chew on. "The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity."
— Adolf Hitler, from Hitler's Table Talk (1941-1944)
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duncanfj 11 years, 2 months ago
Actually, that would be strike two. It has been shown time and again that the Catholic church did little to stop Hitler or his crusade against anyone that didn't fit his view of perfection. So positing that a strong Christian church would have stood up to Hitler really doesn't pass the sniff test. Someone using their faith to gain political power? Lucky no one does that in this country.
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egro 11 years, 2 months ago
Those monsters didn't commit their atrocities in the name of atheism, their religion was the Religion of the State.
Regardless, even if they did these terrible things because they are atheists, and every Christian was a saint, there is still no evidence that Christianity is true.
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Fenrir 11 years, 2 months ago
I interpret this video as people who think they have an atheist view of the world mocking what they think is Christianity, from experiences with people who thought they were Christian, and spreading what they thought was the mind of God.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
I think, therefore I am.
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squeej 11 years, 2 months ago
"I think, therefore I am" is circular logic. It's impossible to objectively verify the validity of our own thoughts. The "therefore" displays the presence of a logical progression drawn from an appeal to a consistent natural order. Order only comes from design, and design only comes from a designer.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
Gravity and electromagnetism create order. Nature expresses ordered properties in nearly all things: DNA, the oscillation of waves of light and sound, molecular construction of atomic particles.
I suspect you'll try to argue that all these things have order because they were "designed" that way, but that is simply conjecture. 'Therefore' your argument that order only comes from design is about as logical as the philosophical "I think, therefore I am" statement.
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squeej 11 years, 2 months ago
Gravity and electromagnetism do not create order, they represent order. It is not conjecture to state that order can only come from order and that design comes from a designer, it is simple logic and metaphysics. You also were not able to refute my claim that the "I think, therefore I am" statement is circular reasoning.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
I have no problem with design coming from a designer. That doesn't mean order comes "only" from a designer. Implying a correlation between design and order doesn't then prove one only exists because of the other. That is ignorant and fallacious.
Here's the definition of Circular Reasoning: "When the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with; sometimes called assuming the conclusion."
"I think, therefore I am" is a philosophical proposition implying that the "thinker," by simply questioning their existence proves the existence of the "I" doing the thinking. There is no assumption of a conclusion, but rather the proof of it. The statement does not begin with the conclusion, it's leads to it eloquently with two words, "I think."
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squeej 11 years, 2 months ago
continued in G+
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05tacoma 11 years, 2 months ago
There's 4 minutes and 17 seconds of my life I can never get back.
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
Indeed you cannot. Best not to dwell on it though. You have approximately 2,524,554,080 seconds minus how many you've already used up in your life thus far. Better not waste any more! :)
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squeej 11 years, 2 months ago
Nice one :)
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egro 11 years, 2 months ago
On a positive note, it sounds like you realize that you get just one life to live (and hopefully don't buy in to the afterlife that many religions promise, but that none have evidence for).
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
I most certainly don't fear death. I don't convince myself that "I", the almighty ego, will continue on after death to make the thought of my demise somehow more palatable.
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05tacoma 11 years, 2 months ago
You are right. I have one earthly life to live, followed by an eternal life. I don't need evidence. That's why it's called "faith." :-)
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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05tacoma 11 years, 2 months ago
I'll assume you didn't mean for your response to sound condescending. Sleeping is never an issue. Like a baby.
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egro 11 years, 2 months ago
I first saw this video a few years ago, and loved it.
I actually stumbled upon it again last night, and then saw your post here on Gentlemint.
Thanks for sharing with everyone!
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Mattlockhart 11 years, 2 months ago
*Thumbs up!*
Haha, glad someone can appreciate it!
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MarkBlemish 11 years, 2 months ago
Can't we all just get along? ;-)
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