Awesome stuff. Plus the guy is spot on on Religulous by Bill Maher. This is my area of expertise. And having studied in the Middle East, having watched Zeitgeist, and read the God Delusion, I laugh off people like Maher & Dawkins.
You can laugh off Maher and Dawkins all you want. But there is little evidence Jesus ever existed, and even less evidence (as in none) that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, or resurrected, let alone all three.
I stated that there is little proof Jesus existed, which you've nicely summarized. However, even if he did exist, that doesn't make the crucial claims true: that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, and resurrected.
"However, even if he did exist, that doesn't make the crucial claims true: that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, and resurrected."
I'll give you that much. However, your assertion that Jesus never existed requires proof that you're not providing. As I've said, you made the claim and the onus is on you to back it up.
The claim is that Jesus existed, my position is that there is not sufficient evidence to accept it. If I told you there was no invisible unicorn behind you, would you ask me to prove it?
No serious academic scholar refutes that Jesus existed. Also, no serious academic scholar refutes that he resurrected from the dead. To say otherwise is due to a lack of knowledge of historical evidences. We can get into his divinity later on, but debating his existence is outside the realm of accepted historical fact.
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korny09 11 years, 10 months ago
Awesome stuff. Plus the guy is spot on on Religulous by Bill Maher. This is my area of expertise. And having studied in the Middle East, having watched Zeitgeist, and read the God Delusion, I laugh off people like Maher & Dawkins.
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
You can laugh off Maher and Dawkins all you want. But there is little evidence Jesus ever existed, and even less evidence (as in none) that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, or resurrected, let alone all three.
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Coolduude 11 years, 10 months ago
Please do your research before making ignorant comments and making yourself look bad.
"It is best to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."- Abraham Lincoln
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
I have done my research. If you have some evidence, you should probably share it.
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Coolduude 11 years, 10 months ago
Nope. You're the one asserting a claim (that Jesus never existed), therefore the burden of proof lies with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
Nice try.
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
I stated that there is little proof Jesus existed, which you've nicely summarized. However, even if he did exist, that doesn't make the crucial claims true: that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, and resurrected.
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Coolduude 11 years, 10 months ago
"However, even if he did exist, that doesn't make the crucial claims true: that he was the son of god, born of a virgin, and resurrected."
I'll give you that much. However, your assertion that Jesus never existed requires proof that you're not providing. As I've said, you made the claim and the onus is on you to back it up.
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
The claim is that Jesus existed, my position is that there is not sufficient evidence to accept it. If I told you there was no invisible unicorn behind you, would you ask me to prove it?
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
Wow, these comments get skinny.
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Coolduude 11 years, 10 months ago
We're going in circles here and the comments are getting too skinny to produce a good conversation. So until next time, have a good one.
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
I agree. You have a good one, too.
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glen 11 years, 10 months ago
Hrm... we'll have to fix this. We've never had comments nested 12 deep before... :)
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egro 11 years, 10 months ago
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MarkBlemish 11 years, 10 months ago
Proof that Jesus does exist and if we don't watch it he'll make our comments skinny. I say onto you believe, and have wide comments! ;-)
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MarkBlemish 11 years, 10 months ago
oh well.
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squeej 11 years, 10 months ago
No serious academic scholar refutes that Jesus existed. Also, no serious academic scholar refutes that he resurrected from the dead. To say otherwise is due to a lack of knowledge of historical evidences. We can get into his divinity later on, but debating his existence is outside the realm of accepted historical fact.
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