Um…So. I don't trust any news..specifically anything from FoxNews. And I'm a moderate so don't accuse me of being a nut bag liberal. I was surprised to find that this was from my hometown. ('recently cancelled my FB so I don't get TFP's news anymore.) I guess its no secret that his headline suggested that the President "take (his) jobs and shove it." On a personal level, this pisses me off since he's taken it upon himself to assume that all of Chattanooga is Anti-Obama Administration and sent out another message of hate and vitriol. It is not. IT IS SOOO NOT. Secondly…HOW IN THE WORLD…Can you just be like, "My name is Mark. I'm with the news… HERE'S MY OPINION! I'm going to go ahead and abuse my position and market my opinion which hasn't been fact checked or vetted."
I also do not trust any news sources. They are all equally bad in my opinion. Most media outlets are nothing more than puppets for Washington, and we know we can't trust those folks.
This is about all the surveillance scandal stuff, but the relationship he describes between the government and corporations is good stuff. Thought you may appreciate, it is a pretty well thought out read:
Reading the papers response about the incident I wonder why, if this guy had caused problems before and been warned, had it not been documented? Seriously if anybody in this day and age gets a hang nail in their job it is documented.
That aside, I can't help but think anyone who goes around crying that they got fired for one thing is lying. Shut up and sue the buggers and do your duty. If they shafted you shaft them back and stop crying about it. Guy like that running around claiming he got fired but not really doing anything about it is juvenile. What does he hope the paper will give him his job back after he blasted them on a national level?
It is pretty clear at this point that we can't trust the news. Frankly while I shake my head thinking, that if the guy is right, that is an awful thing, but I really don't care even remotely about him or his paper. But like you I have given up on the news. We cut cable a few years back and see no reason to ever bother with it again. Maybe if we could get some truly free press, but I don't think people are ready to step back from blind faith in their political teams.
NP. I'm glad that this turned out to be a reasonable thread. There's a certain brand of conservatives that run rampant and even though they're not an accurate portrayal of all conservatives, they're much louder and obnoxious and normally it doesn't end well. I really cringed at the thought of commenting b/c of the backlash that normally follows.
My ultimate problem with this article, with Fox News, with almost all cable news (I exclude Melissa Harris Perry, who runs on MSNBC), and around 98% or the Internet is this:
Hearsay isn't news. This guy didn't bring any evidence that the paper even recieved pressure, nevertheless caved to it. Why the hell isn't the author of this Fox News article doing any research to find out? The problem is the that there are a handful of journalists left in the world, the rest are hand-puppets which repeat information.
As an addendum: I trust the AP. They often do the parroting thing I just lamented, but they are truthful, and useful for news. Just the known facts kind of thing.
Really? Of ALL NEWS (less the AP), you exclude Melissa Harris Perry on MSNBC? You do realize that there are specific requirements to be a propagandist on MSNBC (or CNN, Fox News, etc.), don't you? You think she somehow slipped through the cracks? She has an agenda just like everybody else on the news networks, whether it is a liberal or conservative agenda. She is there to share ideas, not the news.
I will say this though: My children WILL NEVER belong to the community as a whole. As soon as the community wants to come over and change their diapers and pay to feed them (socialism), they will be MY kids. I am responsible for their upbringing, and well-being, not anybody else.
Yes, but MHP doesn't present her opinion as news - its presented as opinion. More importantly, she makes reasoned arguments, with evidence. That's why she was excluded from my statement, because she doesn't report hearsay as news. I never made an argument that she didn't have an agenda. I'm fine listening to a person whom I disagree with but makes evidenced and cognitively resonant arguments. I don't want to hear those I disagree with make terrible arguments, and I certainly don't want anyone I agree with to make them, (because it weakens my position).
I guess your second paragraph is a general rebuttal against MHP's positions?
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Stevie77 11 years, 3 months ago
Um…So. I don't trust any news..specifically anything from FoxNews. And I'm a moderate so don't accuse me of being a nut bag liberal. I was surprised to find that this was from my hometown. ('recently cancelled my FB so I don't get TFP's news anymore.) I guess its no secret that his headline suggested that the President "take (his) jobs and shove it." On a personal level, this pisses me off since he's taken it upon himself to assume that all of Chattanooga is Anti-Obama Administration and sent out another message of hate and vitriol. It is not. IT IS SOOO NOT. Secondly…HOW IN THE WORLD…Can you just be like, "My name is Mark. I'm with the news… HERE'S MY OPINION! I'm going to go ahead and abuse my position and market my opinion which hasn't been fact checked or vetted."
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Razorback 11 years, 3 months ago
I also do not trust any news sources. They are all equally bad in my opinion. Most media outlets are nothing more than puppets for Washington, and we know we can't trust those folks.
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Titanheart 11 years, 3 months ago
This is about all the surveillance scandal stuff, but the relationship he describes between the government and corporations is good stuff. Thought you may appreciate, it is a pretty well thought out read:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_publicpriva_1.html">http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_publicpriva_1.html
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Titanheart 11 years, 3 months ago
Reading the papers response about the incident I wonder why, if this guy had caused problems before and been warned, had it not been documented? Seriously if anybody in this day and age gets a hang nail in their job it is documented.
That aside, I can't help but think anyone who goes around crying that they got fired for one thing is lying. Shut up and sue the buggers and do your duty. If they shafted you shaft them back and stop crying about it. Guy like that running around claiming he got fired but not really doing anything about it is juvenile. What does he hope the paper will give him his job back after he blasted them on a national level?
It is pretty clear at this point that we can't trust the news. Frankly while I shake my head thinking, that if the guy is right, that is an awful thing, but I really don't care even remotely about him or his paper. But like you I have given up on the news. We cut cable a few years back and see no reason to ever bother with it again. Maybe if we could get some truly free press, but I don't think people are ready to step back from blind faith in their political teams.
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Stevie77 11 years, 3 months ago
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/aug/02/times-free-press-responds-inaccuracies-coverage-dr/">http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/aug/02/times-free-press-responds-inaccuracies-coverage-dr/
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Razorback 11 years, 3 months ago
Thanks Stevie, always good to have both sides of the story.
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Stevie77 11 years, 3 months ago
NP. I'm glad that this turned out to be a reasonable thread. There's a certain brand of conservatives that run rampant and even though they're not an accurate portrayal of all conservatives, they're much louder and obnoxious and normally it doesn't end well. I really cringed at the thought of commenting b/c of the backlash that normally follows.
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DirtDoc 11 years, 3 months ago
My ultimate problem with this article, with Fox News, with almost all cable news (I exclude Melissa Harris Perry, who runs on MSNBC), and around 98% or the Internet is this:
Hearsay isn't news. This guy didn't bring any evidence that the paper even recieved pressure, nevertheless caved to it. Why the hell isn't the author of this Fox News article doing any research to find out? The problem is the that there are a handful of journalists left in the world, the rest are hand-puppets which repeat information.
As an addendum: I trust the AP. They often do the parroting thing I just lamented, but they are truthful, and useful for news. Just the known facts kind of thing.
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theycallmechad 11 years, 3 months ago
Really? Of ALL NEWS (less the AP), you exclude Melissa Harris Perry on MSNBC? You do realize that there are specific requirements to be a propagandist on MSNBC (or CNN, Fox News, etc.), don't you? You think she somehow slipped through the cracks? She has an agenda just like everybody else on the news networks, whether it is a liberal or conservative agenda. She is there to share ideas, not the news.
I will say this though: My children WILL NEVER belong to the community as a whole. As soon as the community wants to come over and change their diapers and pay to feed them (socialism), they will be MY kids. I am responsible for their upbringing, and well-being, not anybody else.
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DirtDoc 11 years, 3 months ago
Yes, but MHP doesn't present her opinion as news - its presented as opinion. More importantly, she makes reasoned arguments, with evidence. That's why she was excluded from my statement, because she doesn't report hearsay as news. I never made an argument that she didn't have an agenda. I'm fine listening to a person whom I disagree with but makes evidenced and cognitively resonant arguments. I don't want to hear those I disagree with make terrible arguments, and I certainly don't want anyone I agree with to make them, (because it weakens my position).
I guess your second paragraph is a general rebuttal against MHP's positions?
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